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The 'original, real' box model bug is in IE 5 but can be observed in IE 6 and IE 7 only while running in 'Quirks Mode' (not a defined DOC type). The reason for that is backward compatibility. We have set up a very plain page that concentrates on the box model of W3C and Windows IE. This LINK brings you to that page and feel free to examine the source, make a local copy and play around with the DOCTYPE and how to bring IE in quirks mode or standard mode.